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#1047 - 01/16/08 12:35 PM
Re: carpentry
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Cerberus
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I wonder if there's any merit to the thought that player's weapon choices would have more variation to them if there were more variation in their capabilities.
In other words, everyone trains the lowest dev cost weapon they can for their guild currently because (as I understand it) there are no appreciable differences between weapons after they have been crafted fully (runes and enchantments). By capping the capacity of each weapon, one would have to weigh the benefits of training a cheaper weapon skill against the fact that later in their training that weapon would simply be not as good as a higher capacity weapon type. This is not to say that a knife couldn't be enchanted just as much as a two handed polearm, just that equally crafted items of these different types would be of different power levels in combat.
In the hands of equally skilled warriors, the two weapons would be comparable, but a two handed polearm user would have the benefit of dealing more damage (on average - as they would have a higher maximum damage output) while the knife wielder would have (had) the benefit of paying fewer devs for the same amount of skill.
I can see this as one way of helping to balance weapons, and am in no way implying that it is up here for anything more than open discussion. Please note this means that there are currently no plans to enact any ideas that may be presented here as changes to Darkemud. This is only spitballing ideas for variation, flavor, and balance.
Weapons used are generally the same among all players, as Daniel pointed out (even if he failed to use the proper example), and I for one don't feel this is right with the wide range of weaponry Darkemud has to offer. New players (presuming there are still any truely new players to muds) are often unaware that there is a "best" weapon to choose and, in opposition to the support I've given thus far, this could result in only adding another layer of complexity that will soon be mapped out with a new "best" found, if a poorly made change were carried out.
Am I off base (in addition to slightly off topic) in thinking that this might be a servicable idea though? Do weapons even need to be examined for balance, or is it alright that everyone uses the same weapon type(s)? Are weapons in general too powerful, too weak, or is there a wide enough disparity between those who know the best ways to make them and those who don't that it isn't an issue so easily generalized?
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#1049 - 01/16/08 04:19 PM
Re: carpentry
[Re: Cerberus]
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Kim
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"n the hands of equally skilled warriors, the two weapons would be comparable, but a two handed polearm user would have the benefit of dealing more damage (on average - as they would have a higher maximum damage output) while the knife wielder would have (had) the benefit of paying fewer devs for the same amount of skill."
Maybe on the right track, but not exactly there. I think It'd be a good idea to give some different.. abilities to different weapon types. Like.. SOme weapons good to parry with, others have a penalty. Others are hard to parry against (penalty for the one attacked to parry), some are easier to parry, some are harder to dodge, others easier to dodge. It's easier to dodge while using a knife, while dodging while using a 2h polearm is harder, and so on. Combine it with giving every weapon skill cost 5, and there opens for a lot of variety.
Other than that, innate damage (High cutting for axes, low cutting for knifes and so forth) might be looked at. Currently I have no idea how high/low it is. For example for cutting, is the difference between a knife and an axe more than 10% after a nica bonnes? Is it 50%? I mean, logically the difference should be enormous, but this is Darke 
"Am I off base (in addition to slightly off topic) in thinking that this might be a servicable idea though? Do weapons even need to be examined for balance, or is it alright that everyone uses the same weapon type(s)? "
Well, I've wanted to use flail some time.. But it's just too expensive compared to.. anything.
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#1052 - 01/17/08 01:18 AM
Re: carpentry
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carmy
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Registered: 10/14/07
Posts: 164
Loc: South Korea
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I don't think it would be a terrible idea to even remove some of the weapon types. Two handed blunt for instance isn't something I think any of the guilds who have it would wnat to train. Plus, I think it would be easier to give unique properties to weapons, if say Kim's idea was put in, that all skills have 5 dev cost, if some of the weapon types were removed. Not all of them, but just some of the ones that seem kind of pointless. Then again, if they are all kept, and if they were all not made pointless, I suppose that might be better.
In some ways, I think the most common weapon types are going to remain the same at least for a little while, no matter what changes are put in, simply because of the availability of most of these weapons. If I made a char who needed blade, I could ask a friend if they have a decent sword. If I made a char who uses say, flail, I don't know anyone, and would have a hard time finding one. I'd for sure have to have it made.
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#1084 - 01/18/08 01:08 PM
Re: carpentry
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Cerberus
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Loc: Arlee, MT, USA
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I don't think it would be a terrible idea to even remove some of the weapon types. Two handed blunt for instance isn't something I think any of the guilds who have it would wnat to train. Plus, I think it would be easier to give unique properties to weapons, if say Kim's idea was put in, that all skills have 5 dev cost, if some of the weapon types were removed. Not all of them, but just some of the ones that seem kind of pointless. Then again, if they are all kept, and if they were all not made pointless, I suppose that might be better.
In some ways, I think the most common weapon types are going to remain the same at least for a little while, no matter what changes are put in, simply because of the availability of most of these weapons. If I made a char who needed blade, I could ask a friend if they have a decent sword. If I made a char who uses say, flail, I don't know anyone, and would have a hard time finding one. I'd for sure have to have it made.
Combine it with giving every weapon skill cost 5, and there opens for a lot of variety. Other than that, innate damage (High cutting for axes, low cutting for knifes and so forth) might be looked at. Currently I have no idea how high/low it is. For example for cutting, is the difference between a knife and an axe more than 10% after a nica bonnes? Is it 50%? I mean, logically the difference should be enormous, but this is Darke
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