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#2001 - 05/27/08 04:28 PM Re: Removals [Re: Cerberus]
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removed to abuse, i think some elem got pissed and well made akkad a death trap. multikillings all around. monks have a spell that makes a low level uncontrollable pet that wanders around for a while then blows up.
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#2002 - 05/28/08 07:05 AM Re: Removals [Re: Muod]
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I can recall two issues.

1. People were using them to kill shopkeepers after they were made immune to regular attacks. I'm pretty sure this doesn't work anymore though.

2. The massive killings in akkad.

I think the pbase is mature enough to handle a situation like that by itself however.
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#2077 - 06/21/08 10:41 AM Re: Removals [Re: Charon]
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Why were pets summoned through holy crits removed? They were lousy pets, and they cluttered up places, but they were kinda fun... sorta. Not that I miss them, but does anyone remember why they're gone?
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#2078 - 06/21/08 12:45 PM Re: Removals [Re: Cerberus]
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they were removed when all pet summons were removed, i believe people abused them by getting say 40 and kill perm pets quickly that way
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#2079 - 06/23/08 01:46 PM Re: Removals [Re: Muod]
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I think the only ones that are still in are infernal. But since it's hard to get infernal crits (unless you spam fop a bit) it doesn't happen very often.
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#2335 - 12/05/08 06:54 PM Re: Removals [Re: Charon]
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 Originally Posted By: Byakko
Finally, this is _yet another_ example of why the xp buffers should not have been removed. Now you have to deal with the existence of characters who are way higher than they should be. (the same way removing the buffer destroyed the balance of power in the thief guild) As yet, I have not seen any valid arguments for their removal, apart from pandering to players who like to power-level far beyond the intended rate.
Months ago the admin council discussed putting these back in. I've never tried, but I'd be happy to put this back in. Any thoughts are appreciated.
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#2336 - 12/05/08 07:12 PM Re: Removals [Re: Cerberus]
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personally i am for reinstating buffers but if they do get back we would need a pwipe. It wouldn't be fair or balanced at all if there wasn't a pwipe.
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#2337 - 12/05/08 09:18 PM Re: Removals [Re: Muod]
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I don't want to sound particularly pessimistic, or that I'm for the removal of buffers, but one thing to consider is that people are used to this system now. When you reinstate buffers, many players are going to find the game extremely slow paced again and that may affect their willingness to play. Maybe I'm wrong, but something like this happened when we had WAR up and running, there weren't many people who came back to playing just regular Darke (yes, I realize there were other factors too). If buffers are put back in, making the lower levels slightly easier might not be a terrible idea, since simply cycling 5 spells every so often isn't exactly enjoyable, or running to kill 3 goblins, sit for 2 minutes, run and kill more goblins, sit...
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#2370 - 12/31/08 09:49 PM Re: Removals [Re: carmy]
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Exp Buffers made the game horridly slow at mid levels, and never even bothered higher levels because of not having that many high level areas.

FPS stinks, but that is just my opinion. IT SHOULD go up with levels. Just like HPS and MPS do. Endurance is something trained, it should not be a born stat. No one is born with high endurance. They are born with more intelligence, beauty, strength.

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#2375 - 01/02/09 08:15 AM Re: Removals [Re: Lorthag]
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I've always thought that buffers should've been to choke ultra-high levels down, and not really bother low/mid level players. The rationale I've used to get to this point is that as a child you can absorb information at a fantastic rate and aging reduces this capacity.

Not sure this is the right thread for an FP discussion since they're not removed.
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